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Article Source: CNNAs members of Georgia’s House of Representatives debate whether to prohibit abortions for women more than 20 weeks pregnant, House Democrats introduced their own reproductive rights plan: No more vasectomies that leave "thousands of children ... deprived of birth."
Rep. Yasmin Neal, a Democrat from the Atlanta suburb of Jonesboro, planned on Wednesday to introduce HB 1116, which would prevent men from vasectomies unless needed to avert serious injury or death.
The bill reads: "It is patently unfair that men avoid the rewards of unwanted fatherhood by presuming that their judgment over such matters is more valid than the judgment of the General Assembly ... It is the purpose of the General ASsembly to assert an invasive state interest in the reproductive habits of men in this state and substitute the will of the government over the will of adult men."
“If we legislate women’s bodies, it’s only fair that we legislate men’s,” said Neal, who said she wanted to write bill that would generate emotion and conversation the way anti-abortion bills do. “There are too many problems in the state. Why are you under the skirts of women? I’m sure there are other places to be."
Ugh. I get the irony, but I hate to give these guys ideas.
They just may go for this. Fortunately for me, I got mine more than 20 years ago, but it was "elective" surgery. I don't favor a mandatory procedure...
What about tubular ligation? That's more in line with a vasectomy, not an abortion.
SCTexan
What about tubular ligation? That's more in line with a vasectomy, not an abortion.
tubular ligation is major surgery. Vasectomies are not.
It surprises me of how many women I know that have gotten tubular ligation in order to no longer become pregnant yet men are chicken@!$%# about vasectomies.
Ripley8, That's so true. As I said when you start messing around with the family jewels men get all antsy and nervous. I had a tubal many years ago, because I wanted to know for myself that no matter what happened in my life I would never have another child. I had 3 and that was quite enough thanks!
tubular ligation is major surgery. Vasectomies are not.
Gee whiz! How about we just even the playing field and make the vasectomy procedure a lot more complicated to get around that pesky anatomy angle? (sarc)
It is the purpose of the General ASsembly to assert an invasive state interest in the reproductive habits of men in this state and substitute the will of the government over the will of adult men.
First off, I say leave the abortion battle on the field where it was decided already long ago. Secondly, I say that these straw man arguments are just growing more ridicule-us and counterproductive as every day goes by...not to mention that elected officials are being paid and spending money and time to engage in it. There are no benefits of using these kinds of tactics as argumentative devices because the opposing positions are rooted in belief systems. Keep religion out of government.
/signed
Roy-933464, Christian
Oh will this will impact a total of maybe two men in GA!!! What the hell is wrong with the damn Republicans!! Hell it already takes an act of congress to get most men to even agree to this procedure! Stay our of the American people's bedroom you F-ing PEEPING PERVS!!
As I said when you start messing around with the family jewels men get all antsy
afraid they may not work anymore..........not worth the risk (to men anyway)
sctexan.......so you are saying men are COWARDS......yep they certainly are! Especially those of the reTHUGliCON persuasion!
I wouldn't call it being a coward, it's protecting an important function in many men's life. It also has nothing to do with politics.
SCTexan
I wouldn't call it being a coward, it's protecting an important function in many men's life. It also has nothing to do with politics.
a vasectomy would not interfere with performance !
however getting ones 'tubes tied ' can even kill.
Intraoperative complications such as:
Unintended, unplanned major surgery or laparotomy due to a problem during the tubal ligation procedure, This complication occurs at a rate of approximately 0.9 per 100 tubal ligation procedures.
Blood transfusions
A life-threatening event
Death
Postoperative complications include those that occur intraoperatively, as well as:
Febrile morbidity
Rehospitalization
Death caused by a complication that occurs up to 42 days of your tubal ligation surgery.
http://womenshealth.about.com/od/sterilizationfaqs/f/tubalsafe.htm
Vasectomy Risks
Risks with vasectomy are few. No death has ever been attributed to this procedure. On the other hand, tubal ligation, a frequently performed surgical sterilization procedure in women, is associated with no fewer than 20 deaths per year. These deaths occur because of the risks of the procedure itself, anesthesia complications, and increased ectopic pregnancy rates.
Complications with vasectomy are usually related to bleeding or infection. Prolonged pain sometimes occurs as a result of inflammation along the vas due to sperm leakage (sperm granuloma) or congestion of sperm at the epididymis (epididymitis). These conditions usually go away with rest and anti-inflammatory medication.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/vasectomy/page2_em.htm
so the usual worst for a vasectomy means ? take a Motrin and get over it.
Didn't mean to imply that the concerns are necessarily statistically valid, but it also goes back to the view that men don't want anybody messing with their junk.
And if you look at medical web sites concerning vasectomies, there are numerous issues to be considered, just like any procedure for male or female.
http://suewidemark.netfirms.com/vasectomy.htm
There are physical side effects to vasectomies and these are what many might not want to deal with. They are long term side effects (and contrary to what TV says, it's not really easy to reverse a vasectomy):
- A risk of a lessened libido (ability to enjoy sex) up to 50 percent less. Add that to something like hypertension or diabetes and it spells "IMPOTENCE" i.e. unable to have sex.
There are 80 million men in the United States today who suffer from erectile dysfunction or inability to have sex!
- Some studies show a 95 percent greater risk of developing prostate cancer.
but it also goes back to the view that men don't want anybody messing with their junk.
Women don't like the repub clown car crawling around in their uteruses either.
Women don't like the repub clown car crawling around in their uteruses either.
other than the discussion of abortion, how is that being done?
Contraception?? "You can't have contraception... it violates our conscience and morals!"
other than the discussion of abortion, how is that being done?
Why leave out abortion?
didn't say leave it out, both sides of that discussion have well be covered. (you see, that even though I don't agree with you, I can accept it a a valid view point)
Contraception, I didn't know it had been outlawed and removed from public access?
As the non-profit Guttmacher Institute has documented, Louisiana is hardly the only state passing new anti-abortion legislation this year. In fact, as shown by the chart above, 2011 has generated a stunning increase in new abortion restrictions at the state level. The laws enacted represent less than 10 percent of more than 900 measures introduced since the beginning of the year. You can see the latest (June 1) update by Guttmacher here and a table of changes for the whole year here.
I'm glad the repubs are so worried about my uterus--I just question how many jobs their concern will generate.
Tex, does an abortion have to do with reproduction and reproductive organs? yes it does. Does a vasectomy have to do with reproduction and reproductive organs? yes it does.
Republican here with two great kids AND a vasectomy.
The story has to be a joke, right?
No, the point is if women should not be allowed to make medical decisions regarding reproduction, then neither should men. No abortion, no tubes tied, no birth control(these are what the republican party is trying to implement)... vasectomies should not be allowed either.
It it against Catholic teachings for a man to have a vasectomy?
It it against Catholic teachings for a man to have a vasectomy?
It SHOULD be! After all that prevents babies from being made. What ever happened to "be fruitful and multiply"?
Sometimes you just have to get really absurd to highlight the ridiculousness of the OB/GOP.......but unfortunately someone will probably tell her to "just put the crack pipe down" to the cheers of the OB/GOP......
Sometimes you just have to get really absurd to highlight the ridiculousness of the OB/GOP.......
Ummmmm, WHAT ?????????????
This is a @!$%#ing law they are trying to pass. Laws aren't a game you use against one another. Jesus Christ !!!!!!!!!!
Has government/Ideology's gotten that stupid that they find this to be play time ????
Isn't that the reason we have the major problems we have now ? Gaming ?
Let's see... how many states have MANDATORY ultrasound laws?? They don't change a woman's mind. They serve NO purpose other than to add time between the initial decision, appointment, and procedure and the add to the cost of the abortion. What was the reason WHY we have these laws??
Greg:
Laws aren't a game you use against one another.
You seem kind of sensitive about this. Did you have the same reaction to the GOP proposal to vaginally probe women seeking abortions?
Or are you just troubled by the potential intrusion into men's health?
I'm troubled about "GOVERNMENT" intrusion into personal needs or lives. You should be too. I, to be honest, don't like abortions, but, I can't change you and you can't change me, but again, that's a personal matter that law makers shouldn't be intruding in. Ones personal life isn't anothers.
NOW, if you use abortions as a contraceptive, for one, its an expensive contraceptive and a stupid way to prevent pregnancy, and for another, that's just a cop out to sexual whore-ism by both genders because they think with their genitals first.
greg - if you ask most pro-choice folk, you will find that we are more likely to support better sex ed and contraception on demand, which will lead to LESS abortions. But in the end, abortion is a woman's choice. And it is a private choice between a woman, her doctor and anyone she decides to share that information with.
Yep! I agree it should be a personal medical choice. BUT, it's become a quick and easy birth control method over the decades, not to mention a capitalists way to make MORE money. Used to be, you had an abortion because pregnancy was life threatening. Now it's a quick, now expensive, birth control method. Condoms and Pills are so cheap now.
Birth control = Crap, pregnant .......... TAKE "IT" OUT !!!!!!!!!!!! I ain't ready to be no mother !!!
There is a bottom line to all this, which I will get to.
It seems to me that women have to take the full brunt of child rearing responsibility on their own. And men have no responsibility at all. The rise of the dead beat Dad. Or the other solution that often happens, Grandma, the jerks Mother has to raise the child because his dumb ass got custody. How does this happen? How is this system just, when they take the child AWAY from the woman that had the baby? How is that just? It isn't. The dead beat dad just doesn't want to pay support. So grandma ends up being, Ma. It is ridiculous.
Women and responsibility.
Many smart active women carry condoms. Good choice. But that is the tip of it. They have at their disposal all matter of blocking the sperm, from the pill, to internal devices, day after pills, spermicide. And then you have a stupid legislature that wants to hinder her choices altogether. Which leaves her to one choice, trusting a man. Women can't trust a buffoon enough to not argue about the condom she wants the jerk to wear.
His responsibility.
He has choices here, the condom, the head game that she has prepared, she did her bit, had the condom, and the head game from the fool that the fool would pull out. Getting to adult for this class? Anyway, he has choices too.
Bottom line comes.
Now here is the rub, women have contraceptives, and should. The reason there are abortions, the reasons for contraceptives, the reason, for vaginal painful diaphragms, day after pills and other assorted means to keep from getting pregnant is because.......
MEN ARE STUPID!
it's become a quick and easy birth control method
And how many have you had?
@greg...."I'm troubled about "GOVERNMENT" intrusion into personal needs or lives" SO ARE WE! WE're pissed that MEN have decided to use the contraception issue as another way to control women!!!!!!!!!!! WE fight back and since we tend to be a less strong combatent.....ask frothy, we have to fight and will fight as dirty as we must to keep the men out of making those kind of decisions for us unrequested!!!!!!!!
And how stupid must a idiot be to call abortion 'BIRTH CONTROL'.......only for those republiCON's kids cause they don't bother to give then information on preventing pregnancy and think telling them not to have sex works........BELIEVE ME......voice of experience!
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Happy now ?
And your point is trm ?
I thought women were "Stronger" now. Am i wrong ????
Just say no to the bod and look more to the mind, before you have sex, because of the Bod. :)
Holy Crap, look at that 6 pack. i hope he asks me to bed. :/
I just assumed you've had personal experience since you seem to think abortions are "quick and easy".
Personally, I wouldn't presume to know how easy an abortion is anymore than I would pretend to know what a vasectomy feels like. I've never had either one.
Sometimes you just have to get really absurd to highlight the ridiculousness of the OB/GOP.......
Ummmmm, WHAT ?????????????
This is a @!$%#ing law they are trying to pass. Laws aren't a game you use against one another. Jesus Christ !!!!!!!!!!
I guess someone pointing out how absurd the obsession of the GA State Legislature (and others) over reproductive issues has become was a bit too much for you to handle.
... it's become a quick and easy birth control method over the decades...
That's a ridiculous assertion.
Buckeye Voter, Yes it is a ridiculous assertion. Greg has not addressed rape or incest at all. As a retired RN I could never have informed a family whose 12-14 yr daughter was raped or the victim of incest that because she were now pregnant, due to the horrendous crime that they had suffered would have to suffer for 9 months and then either keep the most unwanted child or give it away. I would never have said that in the midst of a tragedy like that, no matter what the law was. These people who take such rigid and hard stances on such tragedy, usually have no experience base to draw on or either see everything in black & white. Sorry life today isn't just in black and white. It comes in all colors, times and circumstances. God help anyone who has to make a decision like this, but I will never stand in judgment of them, because I haven't walked in their shoes.
1. trm, I answered your question. Whether you liked it or not is not my concern.
2. redphish, I guess you support the Democratic approved "Penis Law". ...mumble, mumble.
3. Buckeye, prove my statement wrong. Haven't seen a study yet, on "Why" people get abortions . (would need interviews on every person that got abortion for that. ) Anybody willing to stand up and confess ?
4. Lynn, Did you read anything I posted or is "Parrot" stuck on the brain for you. (My comment # 2.5 is a good start)
Greg, Be careful need I remind you about COH or don't you think we are ALL entitled to our opinions? So typical!!!!!!!!! I took you off ignore about a week ago, and this reminds me why I had you there to begin with. Ignore!
Excuse me ??????????????
Where does it say "Parrot" on the brain is a violation. You do know what "Parroting" means, right. Don't go where its not warranted Lynn.
Please, since its a sensitive moment for you, put me back on ignore. No skin off my back. Geeeeez !!!
2. redphish, I guess you support the Democratic approved "Penis Law". ...mumble, mumble.
If you took the time to read the article, the introduction of this bill is not a serious attempt to get it passed into law. She is pointing out the absurdity of obsessive nature of her GOP counterparts for reproductive related bills and she's doing a good job of that.
red......some idiots have trouble making that destinction!
If you took the time to "understand" the article redphish, you'd find that trying to pass a nonsensical law (HB 1116), to negate what is construed as a nonsensical law, is idiotic and gaming. It isn't that hard to understand, government and ideology is the most idiotic thing for this country, especially if this could become the law of the land.
petridishofideas, Don't call Viners "Idiots" because you don't agree. It's not nice and against the COH taboot.
A Democrat in Oklahoma pulled a similar stunt and then withdrew the bill. That will probably be what happens in this case.
The real point here is the GOP legislators in states like Georgia have been doing little more than introduceing bills pushing their pet social issues (many of which have no chance of passing a court challenge), bills that benefit their corporate sponsors regardless of the effects they have on the average citizen and bills that slash spending related to such areas as social programs and education since the 2010 elections. I have little doubt that you would apporve of this bull@!$%# but there are many others who are getting frustrated with it.
construed as a nonsensical law
So when the laws affect my body it's "construed as a nonsensical law", but when they are placed on your body it's just plain "a nonsensical law"? Well construe you.
And .... The Democrats follow with the same nonsense again redphish. What a group, eh ?
OK, greg... enough. You made your point.. You don't approve. Thank you for your input.
And for your edification - Women get abortions for a myriad of reasons. I had one as a result of rape. And because of the way that the law was written in 1986, I couldn't get the DA to prosecute my rapist as we had lived together. If you want to know more about my experience, I wrote an article about.
Abortion for contraception is a straw man. You are welcome to come back with statistics for that... I would start with the CDC... they have the most conclusive studies on abortion.
In response to greg-709692:
Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.
Source: Finer LB et al., Reasons U.S. women have abortions: quantitative and qualitative perspectives, Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2005, 37(3):110–118.
Your assertion that women have abortions as a form of "quick and easy birth control" is both silly and offensive.
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Haven't seen a study yet, on "Why" people get abortions .
Your position must be based on that ignorance, then. I have better things to do that "argue" with someone who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
The Democrats follow with the same nonsense again redphish.
There's a huge difference in someone introducing one single bill as a protest and a party wasting the entirety of last year and are doing their best toward wasting this this year on a whole slew of them.
Buckeye... you are very generous for having done greg's research for him. I doubt the apology is on the way...
And greg - there have been 64+ bills this year alone against abortion and contraception. This isn't about one upmanship. This is war.
Brite:
Women get abortions for a myriad of reasons. I had one as a result of rape. And because of the way that the law was written in 1986, I couldn't get the DA to prosecute my rapist as we had lived together.
What a dreadful experience. You have my respect. Your based on personal experience of the most difficult kind. And that is exactly why the rest of us, with little to no experience, should be listening. And heeding.
And thanks for sharing that very personal event.
Bill
Bill - Karma is a bigger bitch than I could even dream of being. I know that my rapist, while alive, lives a life of misery. He is alone, he will die alone, and few will mourn his passing. And if the Gods are kind... I will dance on his grave.
And the very thought that I am alive, healthy and happy... makes his blood pressure head into the stroke zone...
As for the rest... I have 2 beautiful children who are happy healthy adults. One is in Afghanistan, with the Army, the other is in school in Florida. I am married to the man of my dreams.
Karma is a good thing... :)
3/4 of how many women Buckeye voter ?
I get the hint Brite. I should stop posting a rebuttal and let the "Yes" people have a chance at hugging. Got it.
Nice posting with everyone though.
No... you can post all you wish. But if you want to post, and claim facts, you need to post facts and back them up. Buckeye did that. Now... can you rebut what Buckeye said with facts of your own, with proof?
3/4 of how many women Buckeye voter ?
Look up the reference yourself. Don't accept your ignorance so easily - learn to learn.
Go Guys, whats good for the goose is good for the gander!!! Now lets see how quick these whackos who are trying to prevent women from getting contraceptives fold. When you start messing with the Man's family jewels, its my experience that they get all uncomfortable and change their minds rather quickly!
#3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:09 PM ESTNo one wants a woman to go without birth control if that's what she wants to do. Abortion is another thing entirely. She can do that, as well, if that turns her on. Men don't deal too well with pain and after a woman gives birth...pain is nothing!
So, it was a pretty stupid proposal by GA Democrats. Betcha there will be few men who will balk about it.
#4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:54 PM ESTSo, it was a pretty stupid proposal by GA Democrats.
Pretty sure that's the idea......gets people talking about what's good for the goose is good for the gander......Either you are for wo/men having the right to decide what goes in, comes out of their reproductive organs or you're against it. But the right to be in charge of your own organs has to be shared equally between wo/men......
Come on fellas - time to march. Grab your "Get your hands off my vas def deferens" signs.
#5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:27 PM ESTThis is pretty amusing that's for sure.
The Republicans are coming off as sexual deviants and people are noticing. If they think they can win the vote by being "Peeping Toms" they need to reevaluate their approach.
#6 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:14 PM ESTDemocrats: introduce new legislation, to illustrate a point, so crazy that even the radical wing of the GOP will say WTF.
Republicans: Challenge Accepted.
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